Comments on: Vanns Community Manager Update: I Turned The Opportunity Down http://www.jasonyormark.com/2009/09/14/vanns-community-manager-update-i-turned-the-opportunity-down/ social marketer and tech enthusiast Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:27:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Keith Burtis http://www.jasonyormark.com/2009/09/14/vanns-community-manager-update-i-turned-the-opportunity-down/comment-page-1/#comment-108 Keith Burtis Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:03:21 +0000 http://www.jasonyormark.com/?p=46#comment-108 Absolutely, I wish the new manager a huge amount of success and I hope that the company gives him the tools he needs to do the job effectively. I am seeing a lot of companies/brands looking for interns to take care of their social media spaces. The fact is that many organizations are really still figuring it out and C-Level executives just don't have the time or the desire to get involved in the space. The ones that are seeing the power of the channels are taking it more seriously. Absolutely, I wish the new manager a huge amount of success and I hope that the company gives him the tools he needs to do the job effectively. I am seeing a lot of companies/brands looking for interns to take care of their social media spaces. The fact is that many organizations are really still figuring it out and C-Level executives just don't have the time or the desire to get involved in the space. The ones that are seeing the power of the channels are taking it more seriously.

]]> By: Jason Yormark http://www.jasonyormark.com/2009/09/14/vanns-community-manager-update-i-turned-the-opportunity-down/comment-page-1/#comment-107 Jason Yormark Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:58:48 +0000 http://www.jasonyormark.com/?p=46#comment-107 Keith, can't argue with you on this one. Although it's hard to be able to come off as impartial since I was part of the process, I agree that overall the execution was failed on many levels. You simply do not go to all that trouble and offer entry level salary and expect to get someone that is going to come in and make a true difference. This is not a knock on their "winner", maybe he will, I hope he will. <br><br>I was quite angry at how little they valued everyone's time and effort, but other opportunities did come from it, so I've gotten over it.<br><br>It will be interesting to see how things shake out and if this really does make a difference for them. Quite honestly I think they have more of a branding problem then a community one. Every single person I told thought it was the shoe company.<br><br>Thanks for stopping by and sharing. Keith, can't argue with you on this one. Although it's hard to be able to come off as impartial since I was part of the process, I agree that overall the execution was failed on many levels. You simply do not go to all that trouble and offer entry level salary and expect to get someone that is going to come in and make a true difference. This is not a knock on their “winner”, maybe he will, I hope he will.

I was quite angry at how little they valued everyone's time and effort, but other opportunities did come from it, so I've gotten over it.

It will be interesting to see how things shake out and if this really does make a difference for them. Quite honestly I think they have more of a branding problem then a community one. Every single person I told thought it was the shoe company.

Thanks for stopping by and sharing.

]]> By: Keith Burtis http://www.jasonyormark.com/2009/09/14/vanns-community-manager-update-i-turned-the-opportunity-down/comment-page-1/#comment-106 Keith Burtis Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:25:41 +0000 http://www.jasonyormark.com/?p=46#comment-106 I was going to write a post on the way Vanns went about their recruitment process, but I did not know the details of salary etc. So I will leave my comment here. I think the way Vanns went about this media circus of an event was poor form. I think creating an elimination style reality TV look alike contest for the job was wrong. Now to hear that the salary was low is even more disturbing.<br><br>I feel really bad for the folks who did not get the job because they spent a lot of time working towards a job they would never get. I think Vanns did not respect the time value of the people that were trying out.<br><br>Looking back at it now there is probably a really good chance that the folks that were not hired may have generated enough publicity to land themselves a job that did pay well. Who knows, but I am definitely not in agreement with the way they went about the whole process.<br><br>Good luck in your consulting work. I am on the same personal track.<br><br>@keithburtis I was going to write a post on the way Vanns went about their recruitment process, but I did not know the details of salary etc. So I will leave my comment here. I think the way Vanns went about this media circus of an event was poor form. I think creating an elimination style reality TV look alike contest for the job was wrong. Now to hear that the salary was low is even more disturbing.

I feel really bad for the folks who did not get the job because they spent a lot of time working towards a job they would never get. I think Vanns did not respect the time value of the people that were trying out.

Looking back at it now there is probably a really good chance that the folks that were not hired may have generated enough publicity to land themselves a job that did pay well. Who knows, but I am definitely not in agreement with the way they went about the whole process.

Good luck in your consulting work. I am on the same personal track.

@keithburtis

]]> By: Keith Burtis http://www.jasonyormark.com/2009/09/14/vanns-community-manager-update-i-turned-the-opportunity-down/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Keith Burtis Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:03:21 +0000 http://www.jasonyormark.com/?p=46#comment-35 Absolutely, I wish the new manager a huge amount of success and I hope that the company gives him the tools he needs to do the job effectively. I am seeing a lot of companies/brands looking for interns to take care of their social media spaces. The fact is that many organizations are really still figuring it out and C-Level executives just don't have the time or the desire to get involved in the space. The ones that are seeing the power of the channels are taking it more seriously. Absolutely, I wish the new manager a huge amount of success and I hope that the company gives him the tools he needs to do the job effectively. I am seeing a lot of companies/brands looking for interns to take care of their social media spaces. The fact is that many organizations are really still figuring it out and C-Level executives just don't have the time or the desire to get involved in the space. The ones that are seeing the power of the channels are taking it more seriously.

]]> By: Jason Yormark http://www.jasonyormark.com/2009/09/14/vanns-community-manager-update-i-turned-the-opportunity-down/comment-page-1/#comment-34 Jason Yormark Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:58:48 +0000 http://www.jasonyormark.com/?p=46#comment-34 Keith, can't argue with you on this one. Although it's hard to be able to come off as impartial since I was part of the process, I agree that overall the execution was failed on many levels. You simply do not go to all that trouble and offer entry level salary and expect to get someone that is going to come in and make a true difference. This is not a knock on their "winner", maybe he will, I hope he will. <br><br>I was quite angry at how little they valued everyone's time and effort, but other opportunities did come from it, so I've gotten over it.<br><br>It will be interesting to see how things shake out and if this really does make a difference for them. Quite honestly I think they have more of a branding problem then a community one. Every single person I told thought it was the shoe company.<br><br>Thanks for stopping by and sharing. Keith, can't argue with you on this one. Although it's hard to be able to come off as impartial since I was part of the process, I agree that overall the execution was failed on many levels. You simply do not go to all that trouble and offer entry level salary and expect to get someone that is going to come in and make a true difference. This is not a knock on their “winner”, maybe he will, I hope he will.

I was quite angry at how little they valued everyone's time and effort, but other opportunities did come from it, so I've gotten over it.

It will be interesting to see how things shake out and if this really does make a difference for them. Quite honestly I think they have more of a branding problem then a community one. Every single person I told thought it was the shoe company.

Thanks for stopping by and sharing.

]]> By: Keith Burtis http://www.jasonyormark.com/2009/09/14/vanns-community-manager-update-i-turned-the-opportunity-down/comment-page-1/#comment-33 Keith Burtis Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:25:41 +0000 http://www.jasonyormark.com/?p=46#comment-33 I was going to write a post on the way Vanns went about their recruitment process, but I did not know the details of salary etc. So I will leave my comment here. I think the way Vanns went about this media circus of an event was poor form. I think creating an elimination style reality TV look alike contest for the job was wrong. Now to hear that the salary was low is even more disturbing.<br><br>I feel really bad for the folks who did not get the job because they spent a lot of time working towards a job they would never get. I think Vanns did not respect the time value of the people that were trying out.<br><br>Looking back at it now there is probably a really good chance that the folks that were not hired may have generated enough publicity to land themselves a job that did pay well. Who knows, but I am definitely not in agreement with the way they went about the whole process.<br><br>Good luck in your consulting work. I am on the same personal track.<br><br>@keithburtis I was going to write a post on the way Vanns went about their recruitment process, but I did not know the details of salary etc. So I will leave my comment here. I think the way Vanns went about this media circus of an event was poor form. I think creating an elimination style reality TV look alike contest for the job was wrong. Now to hear that the salary was low is even more disturbing.

I feel really bad for the folks who did not get the job because they spent a lot of time working towards a job they would never get. I think Vanns did not respect the time value of the people that were trying out.

Looking back at it now there is probably a really good chance that the folks that were not hired may have generated enough publicity to land themselves a job that did pay well. Who knows, but I am definitely not in agreement with the way they went about the whole process.

Good luck in your consulting work. I am on the same personal track.

@keithburtis

]]> By: Mel Carson http://www.jasonyormark.com/2009/09/14/vanns-community-manager-update-i-turned-the-opportunity-down/comment-page-1/#comment-27 Mel Carson Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:16:49 +0000 http://www.jasonyormark.com/?p=46#comment-27 Sorry to hear that mate! But if they ain't payin'! Love the way you've balanced your feedback though. Very credible... Sorry to hear that mate! But if they ain't payin'! Love the way you've balanced your feedback though. Very credible…

]]> By: CallKathy http://www.jasonyormark.com/2009/09/14/vanns-community-manager-update-i-turned-the-opportunity-down/comment-page-1/#comment-26 CallKathy Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:00:47 +0000 http://www.jasonyormark.com/?p=46#comment-26 I hear you about the salaries issue. Have been looking for a new position and have been flabbergasted at the salaries I am being offered. Very low - not something you could live on. I wonder why our roles are so undervalued? I hear you about the salaries issue. Have been looking for a new position and have been flabbergasted at the salaries I am being offered. Very low – not something you could live on. I wonder why our roles are so undervalued?

]]> By: Jeanna Barrett http://www.jasonyormark.com/2009/09/14/vanns-community-manager-update-i-turned-the-opportunity-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25 Jeanna Barrett Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:31:28 +0000 http://www.jasonyormark.com/?p=46#comment-25 Well... I can't say I blame you. How disappointing though! I'm still going to stick to my guns that your video was the best. ;) Good luck Jason! Well… I can't say I blame you. How disappointing though! I'm still going to stick to my guns that your video was the best. ;) Good luck Jason!

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